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Michael Fallon

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Why?
Posted: Oct 10, 2003 1:08 PM
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ima mess

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Registered: Mar 21, 2003
Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 10, 2003 8:35 PM
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jaime longoria

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Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 11, 2003 2:17 PM
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> .

I think Iam answers this post with great eloquence.
Jimmy Ray Longoria

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
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Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 12, 2003 3:20 AM
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You LOVE the MAEP and are just trying to save it right?

Michael Fallon

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Why does?
Posted: Oct 12, 2003 8:53 AM
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Gabriel Combs

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Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 12, 2003 10:02 AM
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For the record, I am not against the MAEP, the MIA, Michael Fallon, Jaime Longoria, ect.

As far as the MAEP and MIA are concerned, I am thankful I can go there for nothing, as that is often what I have. We are blessed with this gift. I know very well that we could have nothing. However, from the posts on mnartists I have learned that there is some politics going on that I would not have thought about. As with anything political, there has to be someone questioning who's controlling. Again, I have submitted nothing, therefore not been rejected, and have no animosity towards them. (and when I do submit a proposal, I will not be mad for being rejected) I am aware that it is a group of people, not some phantom oppressing menace.

I benefit from the comments on both sides of this discussion. Information somewhat firsthand. I appreciate the fact that Michael Fallon puts forth his opinions here as well as Jaime Longoria. Obviously, I identify more with Longoria, who in my opinion, is no less successful than Fallon. I see a certain = here. Both are capable of intellectual discussion, both are capable of one hell of a fight in the pit.

And, Mr. Fallon, I am coming from a standpoint of naive and innocent views. Mine are forming. The fact that you provided an explanation of feeling that you had not properly represented your views, and thus edit, is not something I can not argue against. But being that you are a critic and a professional writer, of course you're getting scrutinized by artists. And I will state that any artist that has a good understanding of art, and then quits, takes away from the rest. This is my opinion and my belief. You have an art scene, you have an artist capable of contributing good work, it like the old "its my football, and i'm going home with it". I seriously doubt you sucked. A lot of artist kill their art becuase of ego, not that I'm saying you did, but I have seen it happen repetively. Well, good day.

Message was edited by: Gabriel Combs at Oct 12, 2003 10:04 AM


Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 13, 2003 2:36 AM
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Now that i'm actually investigating the workings of the MAEP since i'm going to submit a proposal, It seems very cool.
I don't know any of the people on the peer artist panels.... except Jaime Longoria. knowing him to be an extremely intelligent person I find it hard to belive that he hates the MAEP at all. I really don't know what gos on over there, but if I remember correctly He was elected to break up the political insiderness supposedly going on. (?) In that context, I could see him using confusion tactics the rest of the board or panel or whatever you guys have, would not understand. So maybe his efforts are mistaken as hate. Thats just my guess.
Are you running Micheal?

Michael Fallon

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Why does Longoria?
Posted: Oct 14, 2003 10:22 PM
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Gabriel Combs

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Re: Why does Longoria hate the MAEP so much?
Posted: Oct 14, 2003 10:35 PM
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> For the record, I haven't stopped making art work,
> though I have discontinued my own personal artistic
> career quest--making and exhibiting artwork and all
> that entails--for the professional pursuit of an arts
> writing career.

Just curious...
What's your interest in making art? What do you get from it? Do you paint? Being that I think you stated an interest in the conceptual value of a work, is this a primary interest in your own work?

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Why does Michael Fallon hate the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 3:15 PM
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After attending the MAEP election today, the politics are more obvious. I think it is all somewhat fair, but you have two sides (at least) that think differently. There were two obvious agendas. People I wanted to win won, and people I did'nt want to win won. (and I did'nt genuinly not want them to win, just wanted someone else more). There was more anger from the (I hate to put it like this) anti-Longoria side. Blatant passive aggressive bullshit. I may have voted for one candidate had she not made and anti-agenda comment, although she won anyway.

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Why does Michael Fallon hate the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 3:25 PM
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I should add...
I did'nt want to hear any tension from either side. I just wanted to hear the candidates 2 minutes and make my choice. I sat alone to think alone and was turned off by anything that did'nt add to the experience, including odd comments from the audience...

Ray Rolfe

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From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Why does Michael Fallon the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 6:56 PM
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To illustrate, remember when Longoria mentioned with some enthusiasm that he prefers looking at CDRs because they are higher quality, and like 4 people had shoot em down comments. Geez.
Hear any trash talking bout me man? I can imagine some folks could have been like "ah gawd, get this clown off the stage" But thats just imagination. It was an interesting experience. Almost church like at moments...

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Why does Michael Fallon the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 7:08 PM
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!
I had to step out to the bathroom, and missed that! No, Ray, I don't think anyone felt badly about you. I don't see what reason they'd have.
Who yelled out the agenda comment anyways? It was back where Mr. Fallon was, which was right behind me, but I tried to ignore it.

Danny Smith

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Registered: Nov 9, 2002
Re: Why does Michael Fallon the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 8:52 PM
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i'm a little disappointed that i missed the elections. i really meant to be there. got a lot goin on right now. what's all this "agenda" talk?

d.

Sam Spiczka

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From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Why does Michael Fallon the Longoria so much?
Posted: Oct 25, 2003 10:33 PM
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I missed it too, Danny. Would have been nice to make it. I created a new topic just for discussing the elections. Let's try to keep things over there for convenience sake. Ray, Gabe, if you want to go into more depth, that would be appreciated. Thanks.

Sam

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