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Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 7, 2004 2:15 PM
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Awh what!? Tonight is the opening? Thought it was Fridy.
I better get ready.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 10, 2004 12:48 AM
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Hey,

Michael Fallon

Posts: 201
Registered: Jul 3, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 10, 2004 6:57 PM
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jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 11, 2004 12:00 PM
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Got, I love you Bob.

At the core of you is an honorable man.

Those of us Americans of color prefer Honorable men to Liberal Whimps. You honor me when we engage in spirited discourse.

But please do understand the racism that afflicts this Minnesota Art Scene. Notice who they choose to exclude from their "diverse" dialogues. Remember the A.R.T. This is the institutionalized racism that afflicts the "left".

The Latino community is familiar with this and is not in anyone's pocket. We will be voting this election as informed "stake holders". Those "leftists" that exclude us from their forums allow the "right" to court us to their side.

It is the American way of "voting".

At the La Familia festival this weekend both political parties were present. It was of amused interest to me that only the "red" team came up to me and asked about my art and my culture.

I am more concerned about "dishonorable" conduct than wether one is a "left or a right winger". For me it is "fascism" that I fear most. In the Art Scene we can see the seeds of that despicable trend. Mostly in those that celebrate the show at the MAEP.

I hope you can see it right here.
The world, through the work of Coyote Infinity will definitely see it here.

your friend
brother in hard work
jaime


> > What I am saying, is I wouldn't trade it for
> > anything. Life is stimulating and a never ending
> > unfolding story of amazing variety and color. And
> > only in America are there so many stories of so
> many
> > peoples thrown together from so many backgrounds,
> to
> > live in peace. I'm not special in the least, just
> > one of many, under liberty, and to the dismay of
> > secularists, and God. (Whatever that means, to
> > whomever)
> >
> > And Michael, I did view the exhibit and it left me
> > with a feeling of embarrassment. In fact I
> muttered
> > "I'm embarrassed" as I finished reading the
> posters.
> > I think, however, that it was a good idea to do
> the
> > show this year. It functions, I think, as a
> safety
> > valve, a palliative to deep festering anger, an
> old
> > time raucous screaming political outburst and a
> peek
> > into the psyche of the political world view of the
> > artists who participated. I think MAEP must
> > function in these ways, these communitarian
> > outbursts are, in fact, art functioning as life
> > itself. It seems as if there is no aesthetic,
> > except that real living people dragged this stuff
> > into the cathedral and made it the town square.
> > There's plenty of "art" just around the corner, or
> > r up the stairs. But here, in "our" room, we're
> > yelling, pouring out our guts. I read the blogs
> > already, and it's cool, and if I feel motivated I
> may
> > add my two cents. I didn't notice any names of
> > contributors. How are we to know who thinks what?
>
> This is a nice comment already, Bob. I was hoping to
> entice you to become one of the regular contributors,
> actually... If you are interested in this, let me
> know--the list is still not finalized. (Once the list
> is finalized I will post the names of all the
> contributors with information about them.) If you
> don't want to be a regular contributor, I hope you
> will post your comments. In particular, check this
> week as I'll be coordinating a focused discussion on
> Thursday, 10/14, at 7 pm on the intersection of art
> and politics. You would be a perfect commentator for
> this...

rea mingeva

Posts: 16
From: mankato
Registered: Nov 11, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 11, 2004 6:46 PM
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I did respond, and then got a response back from a MAEP member "explaining" to me the "purpose" of the exhibition. I think my point was misunderstood, or maybe ignored. What role, I asked, did the MAEP elected members play in this exhibition? Or, as with Foot in the Door way back when, was no role of the members required? The redeeming factor of Foot in the door was the uniform scale of work , giving the whole exhibition a salon effect, to be read as a statement as a whole rather than individual pieces. If this exhibition was meant to allow the artists a chance to speak their political views, then why weren't they given a more authentic format, telephone poles, donated billboards, sides of buildings? Too much message, not enough aesthetic. Political art = art and politics. Narrative AND aesthetics. One seems to be sorely lacking in this exhibit

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 11, 2004 10:13 PM
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> I did respond, and then got a response back from a
> MAEP member "explaining" to me the "purpose" of the
> exhibition. I think my point was misunderstood, or
> maybe ignored. What role, I asked, did the MAEP
> elected members play in this exhibition? Or, as with
> Foot in the Door way back when, was no role of the
> members required? The redeeming factor of Foot in
> the door was the uniform scale of work , giving the
> whole exhibition a salon effect, to be read as a
> statement as a whole rather than individual pieces.
> If this exhibition was meant to allow the artists a
> chance to speak their political views, then why
> weren't they given a more authentic format,
> telephone poles, donated billboards, sides of
> buildings? Too much message, not enough aesthetic.
> Political art = art and politics. Narrative AND
> D aesthetics. One seems to be sorely lacking in this
> exhibit


Ditto!!!!

coyote infinity
my political art is here!!!

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 12, 2004 12:43 AM
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Everyone

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 12, 2004 8:14 AM
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> Everyone is too kind. I can't be a blogger, however,
> I think others will probably stand in for me. I've
> always been a lurker in territory that looks
> occupied, like re-con. And there are always new
> ideas in all of this activity. And that is precisely
> the value of the foundation's sponsorship. It's like
> a pinball machine.

I will not be kind!!
I do celebrate your integrity!

Chew on this my friend: Should the Weisman be hosting a show of art focused on the ethnocentric vision of a Minority who also is a Celebrity from "Tinsel Town".

You will recall a while back our friend Mikey wrote of his disappointment on finding Art in gallery's of the Hollywood empire filled with dismissive art while his personal heroes languished in the cultural hell of Southern Cal. As California is rapidly becoming an extension of Tia Juana, Mejico; don't you believe that the Chicano Show is an extension of that "Cultural" invasion of North Anglo Amerika?

Your friend and adversary in Ideas
coyote infinity
jaime longoria

Michael Fallon

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Registered: Jul 3, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 12, 2004 10:07 AM
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Michael Fallon

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Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 12, 2004 10:09 AM
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Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 13, 2004 1:20 AM
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Jimmy,

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 13, 2004 9:41 AM
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> By the way, an FYI. My name's not Mikey.
>
> Also, I've never knowingly "belittled" any one for
> their ideas or their beliefs. I may have disagreed
> with their ideas, but that is more out of respect
> than belittlement.

I think I am in love with this word:

"BELITTLEMENT"

COYOTE INFINTIY

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 14, 2004 5:07 PM
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"To 'belittle' is to be little."

– Unknown

I love the way this "little" quote cuts right to the heart of the issue of criticism. Especially the sort of criticism that is really about putting down, or belittling others. The wisdom in this quote is that when someone "belittles" another, the act is really more information about the criticizer than the criticizee. It says that the person who is belittling others is actually demonstrating a lack of (or a "little" amount of) many things.

First, there is a lack of self-confidence. People who feel confident in who they are have no need or desire to belittle others. In fact, feeling good about oneself, and choosing to spend time feeling bad about others is incongruent. People who feel good about themselves actually tend to see the best, and thus bring out the best in others.

Second, there is a lack of awarenesss. While nobody's perfect, the tendency to "belittle" another is really an indication of a lack of awarenesss about the other person's qualities and abilities. Most of us are good at some things, and not so good at others. The challenge in almost any relationship, whether personal or professional, is to find people with complementary skills and work with them to create successful families and organizations.

Finally, there is a lack of faith in the energy of love as a guide to how we perceive life. Given that finding fault in others is more about fear than love, a person who belittles is actually trusting fear as a guide to truth and wisdom. Generally, this decision to distrust love is neither about truth or wisdom.

Just so that you don't think this is about belittling those who belittle, my hope is that we can all see this tendency in ourselves and others for what it is, simply a lack of self-confidence, awareness, and an inability to trust love as a source of truth and wisdom. When we do, we can use this awareness as good information to decide for ourselves how "big" we want to be.

Take care and God bless, Dr. Bill Crawford
http://www.billcphd.com/index.htm .

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 19, 2004 11:09 PM
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Hey,

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Hot Topics in Politics Related to the Arts
Posted: Oct 20, 2004 1:28 AM
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I read it the day after the event. Not since. You can't post unless they invite you to, democracy requiring moderation perhaps. It's probebly getting pretty good eh? I'd check it out now, but time time time. Only so many hours in a day ya know.

Anyway, did Dr. Bill kill it?>

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