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Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 1:57 AM

OK, so this is a good link
http://www.unitedstatesaction.com/nuclear-low-yield-weapons-impact.htm

BUT THIS ONE IS AMAZING
http://www.ki4u.com/nuclearsurvival/states/mn.htm .

They show a potential targets map for Minnesota and a fallout map for the wole country.
Enjoy

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 2:11 AM

The "suitcase nukes" are said to be 2 kilotons.

I found this on PBS
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/bomb/sfeature/mapablast.html .
1 Megaton Surface Blast: Pressure Damage

The fission bomb detonated over Hiroshima had an explosive blast equivalent to 12,500 tons of TNT. A 1 megaton hydrogen bomb, hypothetically detonated on the earth's surface, has about 80 times the blast power of that 1945 explosion.

Radius of destructive circle: 1.7 miles
12 pounds per square inch

At the center lies a crater 200 feet deep and 1000 feet in diameter. The rim of this crater is 1,000 feet wide and is composed of highly radioactive soil and debris. Nothing recognizable remains within about 3,200 feet (0.6 miles) from the center, except, perhaps, the remains of some buildings' foundations. At 1.7 miles, only some of the strongest buildings -- those made of reinforced, poured concrete -- are still standing. Ninety-eight percent of the population in this area are dead.

Radius: 2.7 miles
5 psi

Virtually everything is destroyed between the 12 and 5 psi rings. The walls of typical multi-story buildings, including apartment buildings, have been completely blown out. The bare, structural skeletons of more and more buildings rise above the debris as you approach the 5 psi ring. Single-family residences within this this area have been completely blown away -- only their foundations remain. Fifty percent of the population between the 12 and 5 psi rings are dead. Forty percent are injured.

Radius: 4.7 miles
2 psi

Any single-family residences that have not been completely destroyed are heavily damaged. The windows of office buildings have been blown away, as have some of their walls. The contents of these buildings' upper floors, including the people who were working there, are scattered on the street. A substantial amount of debris clutters the entire area. Five percent of the population between the 5 and 2 psi rings are dead. Forty-five percent are injured.

Radius: 7.4 miles
1 psi

Residences are moderately damaged. Commercial buildings have sustained minimal damage. Twenty-five percent of the population between the 2 and 1 psi rings have been injured, mainly by flying glass and debris. Many others have been injured from thermal radiation -- the heat generated by the blast. The remaining seventy-five percent are unhurt.

NOTE: This information has been drawn mainly from "The Effects of Nuclear War" (Washington: Office of Technology Assessment, Congress of the United States, 1979). The zones of destruction described on this page are broad generalizations and do not take into account factors such as weather and geography of the target.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 10:03 AM

Please understand this statement:

The Coyote claims "Ray Rolf" as a walking talking "Coyote Art" Piece.

Lurkers: if you have read all of the recent posts(last two months) look at them as a "dance of words and ideas that the "social political performance artist", Jimmy Longoria has created as a performance on the matter of "Minnesota Nice Racism" with the intent to illuminate that the "Racism" affecting Minnesota is not based on "color" but on "pedegree". The "regulars" on this forum have been "assembled" in "digital" space to provide you a view into the truly creative minds at work here in the "physical locus" called Minnesota.

> Yeah, hows that for Coyote Art. I found this line to
> be what it is
> " Well Coyote, a statement written at another time
> and place about an event that has nothing to do with
> the frightening prospect we face today, is an
> irrelevant comparison. That is, the beheading of the
> entire world...."
>
> DISINFORMATION?
>
> The frightening prospect we face today is atomic
> vaporization, not beheadings.
>
> Why? Just google bin Laden's 'letter to America'
> 2002
> He tell in detail WHY. No mystery there. I'll just
> link ya
> http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article6537.h
> m
>
> So I did find the press relese from 1945 to be
> educational.
>
> You know, I was in Walter Hall the other week and I
> saw a book called 100 suns. I thought it was about
> the sun so I picked it up. It was a photo book of
> nuke tests, dating back to the first ones. They went
> from 1 kiloton, 3 kiloton, 10 kiloton, 300 kilotons!
> Larger and larger atomic mushroom clouds. By the end
> of the book they were up to 1 MEGATON, 5 MEGATON,
> FUCKIN 300 MEGATONS! Explosions they had to view from
> space! There was no text untill the end. It said
> America had tested about 1500 atomic weapons in the
> last 50 years. Rusha slightly less. So I was just
> amazed. That radioactoive energy has been exploded
> 3000 or so times, in 50 years, on planet earth,
> Oceans, land and Atmosphear. What the fuck, how are
> we all still alive?
>
> Anyway. We ARE. I'll go search for your other post
> Bob. Then I'll come back and post some blast radius
> info here.

For Colin: "Dance" is not really only about "physical" manipulation anymore. The more investigative forms of Dance have to do with "mental movement". I will remind you of when we first met. I was "Coyote" there. I was very attune to the concept of native people who concieve of "dance" as a way to "move" spiritual space. Native drum and song is still felt as a "spiritual" transformation of inner space and extrernal conciouness in order to "be" in real space.

The Chicano artist, Jimmy Longoria has created a spiritual space of "words" her on the forum that alter the "spiritual" space where other artist live.

Ray carries a "token" of the Coyote as he "dances" his life of "homelessness". The Coyote "paints" Ray as the "perfect artist" that the institutions attempt proffer as "Ideal". When I speak to funders; I present the idea that all funding fails to support the arts when "Art Professionals" like Reggie can't see that "Ray" is the Minnesota Artist that live in the "Latitude of Poverty".

Coyote loves "Ray" as the artist that "connects" great ideas; right here for the world to see. He is not confined by the "curratorial professionals". He needs no gallery, grant nor review to make his art.

The Coyote "owns" "Ray; Homeless Artist" because he takes "Ray: Homeless Artist" wherever he goes as an idea. But the Coyote does not "exploit" Ray. Jimmy Longoria does not, nor will he ever accept money for "Ray: Homeless Artist". Any money to had as a result of the creation of "Ray: Homeless Artist" belongs to the human: Ray.

The Walkie needs to examine itself on this question. A "T-Shirt" as compensation for one of it's most dyanmic validators of a program that exploits the "Artists" without any recompence?

Colin share this dance with your peers and remember the "Digital Devide".

coyote infinity
chicano artist de minnesota
preformance artist

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 10:46 AM

Ray, the original Hiroshima bombing shares only the explosion with a bomb that may or may not be exploded today. I repeat, it has nothing to do, other than the explosion, with the ideology madness, today, of radical Islam. Just as standing has nothing in common with flying, except for breathing.

The Coyote reprinted the 1945 press release as evidence of what? I don't know.

The prospect of either a beheading or vaporization, to Osama, is exactly the same thing. The murdering of Infidels. Go to Pakistan, and you'll get beheaded, if you are targeted. Go into the tube in London on 7-7-05 and you'd have been blown up. It's the same result from the same international Jeehad. And with 20 (?) tactical nuclear weapons in our country in the control of radical Islamists, (if true) it certainly is far more practical to achieve the proscribed 4 million deaths Osama requires by using the bombs instead of the dirty Kitchen knife.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 10:52 AM

Well, I have noticed

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 11:50 AM

> Well, the Coyote is exactly correct when he
> characterizes Ray as a performance artist. Ray uses
> the net, words, ideas, and weaves in and out of his
> life better than any MCAD winners that I have noticed
> being feted with $25,000 stipends. And he performs
> without complaint, of his own volition, beyond the
> grasp of fawning mentors. He is "real".

The Coyote A "claims" "Bob" as a walking talking,......

Coyote A (Atomic)
President
Minnesota Alliance Of Performance Artists ( MAOPA)

Bob: get this Truman was right. In Nagaske over 70,000 living breathing people died. It is just that simple. Ray brings this little reality to you; 1500 detonated nukes. Just simple math.

I am hoping to vist Nagasake this December 7th.

The city is alive and vibrant. The people once again live there. Children are born, raised and educated in Peace. You and I through our chosen government whiped 70,000 real individuals from the face of the Earth because we had "cause".

We have since gone on to "polute" the planet with the "radiation" of 1500 more powerful bombs.

How many times can we push the button before our arm gets tire and we can not go beyond the 146th head?

A small group of terrorist did attack us. Death to them all. But we declare a "world war" on terrorism!

Read a small book on tactics on fighting "guerillas". You will be suprized by the wisdom found there.

Coyote Infinity
Chicano Artist De Minnesota

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 12:25 PM

Coyote, as I have previously said, one believes what one feels he believes. Over 200,000 Chinese civilians were shot, raped, butchered alive, mutilated alive, experimented upon, at Nanking in 1938-1939, over a period of six months by the Japanese Military. And this was carried out under hubris that Chinese were little better than pigs. (strange, isn't it, that we constantly keep bumping into this evil irregardless of the totalitarian ideology)

The responsibility for this is now being understood as historians uncover the evidence in the chain of command from Hirohito on down. The top leadership after the Hiroshima bomb wished to fight to the end. After the Nagasaki bomb, Hirohito finally realized reality, made an unprecedented radio recording (the emperor never spoke to mere mortals) which had to be hidden from the Militarists, until the next day, when it was played, and Japan capitulated.

Or course Truman was right. As he would have been right by saying the sun came up that morning! The problem, Coyote, is that you are stating the obvious which has nothing to do, once again, with the point. And that was, that the bombing of Hiroshima is not an example of American Imperial Hubris which can subsequently excuse present atrocities.

Where does this never ending whipping end. The 200,000 American troops who died in the Battle of Bulge in 1944, were also living and breathing before they died. The Korean women used as prostitutes by the Japanese were living a breathing before they were shot in the back of the head. God all Almighty, get a grip on connecting some reality to hyperbolic breathless stating of unrelated horrors.

How the hell were bombs to have been designed? Without tests? JHC, we are going have to assign some classes in logic. And do you think we would have escalated the arms race in the Fifties without the crackpot social/political/philosophic theories of Rousseau/Hegel/Heidegger/Lenin/Stalin/Mao, and the rest of a collection of fools responsible for over 100,000,000 civilian murders in the 20th century? Of course, the answer is a redundant, no.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 12:49 PM

You really need to read a book on fighting guerillas!

You keep slipping away from the reality that a world war does not get won!!

All war is about removing the ability of the enemy to wage war.

Our "war" will do the same that the Vietnam disaster did. Our opponent need only continue the war in order to have us defeat ourselves. You cite the Chinese in WWII but you seem to now realise how they defeated the Japanese in China. Read history. Not your blogged crap. Open a book, that is why you and I need libraries, free ones.

Your free will be surrendered not to Muslim extremeists/ rich kid terrorists/ you need to fear your own fear!

Within the decade it will be your type of fear that will afford the neofascists in our midst to advocate the use of nukes in the middle east. "After All Nagasake is Rebuilt! "

coyote A

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 14, 2005 4:52 PM

Mr. Coyote, I have read and own more than one new histories and biographies dealing with the Vietnam war and it was a disaster only inasmuch as the war was opposed in this country, and the opponents gave aid and comfort to the Communists thus stretching the length of the war until 1975.

The Tet Offensive of 1968 was pivotal, as General Giap has admitted, inasmuch as the North was defeated. Until, that is, a generation of Baby Boomers, with a few cards shy of a full deck, thought, as you have been saying of late, that war is bad, peace is good. And the Communists laughed gleefully just as the jeehadists are laughing now at so called third generation "peace activists" today in our midst.

Vietnam was a disaster because of the efforts of Uncle Ho to invade South Vietnam. We did not invade. The Communists invaded the South. These are minor facts that 17 year olds are never directed toward. The horror that Uncle Ho rained down on "his people" was a thousand times worse than the colonialism it supplanted. There are professors with PhDs wandering around campuses today, applying critical thinking in every possible instance, except in the instance of the Communist atrocities directed by Ho-Ho-Ho Chi Minh. Nixon would never have bombed the HCM trail, which Minh put in Cambodia, if, in fact there weren't NVA bringing the war through Cambodia into South Vietnam. And if Nixon had not bombed or threatened to bomb Cambodia, then the Kent State Shootings would not have occurred because there would have been no demonstration on the campus. Unless they may have been demonstrating for some other arcane reason.

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 15, 2005 4:03 AM

Thanks for the Love.

Shawn Holster

Posts: 74
Registered: Nov 22, 2004

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 15, 2005 11:29 AM

Coyote-

Which/what book(s)? Lurkers need context. I can reference Bob's sources (ex.- Hegel...blog crap c.1800) but what and by whom on fighting guerillas?

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 15, 2005 12:44 PM

Ray, why would you see my appraisal as sarcasm? Your performance is no worse than thousands of others. Why shouldn't it receive a grant. If need is any indicator, as it as it claims to be in so many cases today of denied affirmative action, than the McKnight foundation has work to do right here, in this instance.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 15, 2005 1:07 PM

Shawn, the reason I rattled off those names several posts back is not because of my wisdom, but that of Isaiah Berlin. The two important books for my understanding this lineage of philosophy, actually beginning before Rousseau, are: "Freedom and Its Betrayal", and "The Power of Ideas".

In the first he discusses the effects of six, in his experience, thinkers on the enlightenment. These critiques were taken from lectures broadcast over the BBC in the fifties. The second is a collection of his essays over a broad series of topics directly applicable to today's current quagmires. Humans have been trying for sometime unsuccessfully to build that which is not possible. Every generation seems to come of age with the understanding that it is the first, and its experiences are new. And I agree, there is a lot of crap on the blog, which, BTW, I never reference because there too much opinion.

Shawn Holster

Posts: 74
Registered: Nov 22, 2004

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 15, 2005 4:03 PM

seriously, I want a reference point, I'd like to look into coyotes side of the discussion further. So far it's an interesting read( the to and fro) I chose Hegel because I'm very familiar with his writings,[and could connect the dots from your post several posts back in the chain of philosophers, in chronological order, that developed communist ideology, and the implications it drew in connecting the gears of the propogandist totalitarian mechinism] and writings on history (western) in general. Much of what has been debated in the past is pertinent today, same arguements-different time, different participants. I can see many of your points, Bob, because I can easily look them up- this is a good thing, I thouroughly enjoy reading commentary placed in context. Yah, there is an abundance of crap in the blogosphere, theres an abundance of crap throughout history as well, all a matter of whos perspective it's being presented from. Your ability to site specific instances and site sources is something I'd like to see from the other side (Coyote) of the discussion. Helps with the understanding of the topic. (which I thought was supposed to be Chicano Art and MN institutionalized racism, but this is cool, thought provoking, good stuff) This is not a challenge Coyote, a simple request from the audience for reading that you have cited without citing.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003

Re: Coyote Art
Posted: Jul 16, 2005 12:51 AM

It's not impossible to be optimistic,

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