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jaime longoria

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Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 13, 2005 3:47 PM
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> In response to the WalkerBlog document quote "One of
> the critical roles in the Walker model of Civic
> Engagement is that of a Container: being a safe place
> for unsafe ideas".


Don't you think that this is just "stupid spin talk"?

>
> ((I think he was refering to
> this>http://media.walkerart.org/pdf/walker_4c_map.pdf)
>
>
> I created an art piece where I wrote those words on a
> tupperware bowl.
>
> $65,000 dollars.

Chicano Art Project 2006

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 14, 2005 10:41 AM
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Of

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 16, 2005 10:26 AM
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And,

Bob Schulz

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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 21, 2005 12:11 PM
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I've

jaime longoria

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Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 24, 2005 1:17 PM
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> I've been waiting for other artists to enter the
> fray, but nothing, so two related points of late:
>
> First, related again to Hollywood, a new book,
> revealed at the Miami Book Fair this weekend on
> Booknotes II CSPAN, titled, "Fidel: Hollywood's
> Favorite Tyrant" by, Humberto Fontova. Most
> interesting biography of sorts about a dictator who
> murdered/incarcerated a greater percentage of his
> civilian population than either Hitler or Stalin!
> Stunning in itself as something an artist,
> especially from Hollywood, should be concerned with
> and cognizant of. Anyone get the Mao biography?
> How's the read going?
>
> And two, concerning the revelations of history "past
> and present" in "House of Oracles" (whatever the hell
> that title is supposed to represent?), the stealing
> of intellectual property by the Red Chinese equals a
> taking of upwards of 20 billion dollars from artists
> in the West and other inventors. This alone should
> bring artists out into the streets in face paint,
> screaming retribution in the faces of the infringers.
> Don't hold your breath.
>
> And Mr. Yong Ping?, what say you? Have you not
> missed an enormous mark in the making of art of the
> present? Anyone? Hello-o-o-o-o?
>
> Look, anyone can read a book, as someone once mused,
> but the question should be, is anyone reading
> anything, thinking anything, cognizant of anything,
> who calls themselves an artist? At the end of a
> video detailing the creation of Guernica, Picasso
> cautioned that artists must know what is going on in
> their world, or something to that effect.
>
> I know how vehemently I am hated for exposing artists
> to ideas about which they know nothing, but
> apparently don't wish to either think about or be
> morally stymied. But someone has to do this work,
> this lonesome crying out in a wilderness.
I have not been ignoring you my friend. i have been busy in revamping my "plan". The startling truth is that we are headed into a economic and cultural derpression that will make Hisptoric Depression seem like headaches.

I have a fun coffee and walk with Sean at the Wakie. I am sorry that we did not make a "tour" of it. Perhaps we can go again into the glittering tomb of Art next Thursday for the "Andy" show?

I also had a good coffee and talk with Sam.

Art will continue as long as we have "individuals" who walk alone in the pursuit of ideals!!!

We need to let the "Art Fakers" die.

I have decided to advocate the funding for "artists" be cut completely. That money should go to creating "venues" that allow artists to make sales of thier "products and serivices". A cultural "free market" as it were.

How say you my firend.

Coyote Infinity 2006

Bob Schulz

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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 27, 2005 10:36 PM
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If,

Jimmy longoria

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From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 8:25 AM
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> If, although I doubt it, you are referring to last
> quarter's economic growth of 3.8 percent, then we are
> not in the throes of decline.

It is the"jobs" that are evaporating that signals the decline. The shrinking of the "middle class". The game being played with 'yaun/dollars'. This is the gut of the economic enghine that runs our culture. The terrorist we need to fear are your right wing-nuts that have "bombed" our towering economy. Al the while your boy in office wants us to enjoy his vacation while the heart of future america is "wounded but alive". I think you have lost sight of the history of the now with your obseesion with the "words" of the right wing revisionists. Sort of like the vasaline on the lenses of so many Soth-y- ist.

The bat show is just a sad comment on the "bat-y-ness" of the Art "professionals" lack of integrity. I keep traveling through the show in my mind and the sad thing is that it reminds me of a "b" "James Bond" movie set for and audience eating intelectual popcorn.

Well my friend lets see if we can see the "Andy" show together.

PS I invite you to kick some lift into these forums with me as it seems the "SAD" has hit the Art community hard.

Jimmy Longoria
Chicano Artist de MInnesota


And if those who wish
> our demise could in some way be neutralized, then we
> could anticipate growth and peace in the future.
>
> So, you did a walk-around in the house of oracles?
> What say you? Nothing about the dissent in China.
> Nothing about Red Chinese spies in the US.
> . Nothing, but, nothing but what you might expect to
> see in an international art gallery. Yes? Why do
> they bother?
>
> The museum with it's reputation intact and it's
> panache for celebrity promotion merely continues on
> it's merry way. Ploughing through the fields of
> truth neglecting to reveal any. Planting the seeds
> of myth in fields of neglect harvesting more of the
> miseducated. As the Education Dept., whatever they
> could be up to, previews yet another Clooney film, I
> expect. Oh that Clooney, what a guy, what a truth
> teller. Sort of reminds one of Duggan, that friend
> of Murrow, in the State Dept., you know, that Duggan,
> the one that jumped out the window after a visit from
> the FBI, that Duggan, the one Clooney so carefully
> researched.
>
> Lawrence Duggan, you can read all about this guy in
> "Witness" and it will shine some light on Edward R.
> Murrow, about whom this thread is supposed to be
> dedicated.
>
> As Horatio so aptly put it in Hamlet, act one, scene
> I, "If thou art privy to thy country's fate, which,
> happily, foreknowing may avoid, O speak-" (Chambers)
>
>
> You should all, really, get something Chambers has
> written and read it. The guy deserves, at the least,
> a Nobel Peace Prize. After a second thought, with
> Carter in possession of same, real heroes shouldn't
> have their memories besmirched with such an
> association.
>
> Good night, ladies and germs, and unlike Murrow, I
> really mean it, Good Luck, because in this time and
> place, we are needing a lot of it.

Shawn Holster

Posts: 74
Registered: Nov 22, 2004
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 11:37 AM
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Just returned from close to a week in Philadelphia, yah, did the touristy thing, but also had the chance to witness some of the "worst" that Philly is "about". Really gave me the chance to ponder the question(s) of What Does it Mean....American/America.

Shawn Holster

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Registered: Nov 22, 2004
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 5:10 PM
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how could it not...The Cradle of Liberty, right? The physicality of the location, the density, the demeanor on the street, how could one not contemplate what it is to be an " American " be it then or now, be pummeled with the implications from minute to minute, exchange to exchange, neighborhood to neighborhood, and seeing and experiencing the fast differences between the responses to this specific question- all dependant on whom and when one would ask it.....

Shawn Holster

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Registered: Nov 22, 2004
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 5:13 PM
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and I wish Reggie would have capitalized "Now", as well as jump into a conversation he/you have started...really, not even a courtesy thing....Ghetto to Reggie....over....roger....

Message was edited by: Shawn Holster at Nov 28, 2005 5:14 PM


Bob Schulz

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From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 10:32 PM
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Hello,

Shawn Holster

Posts: 74
Registered: Nov 22, 2004
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 28, 2005 11:36 PM
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don't sell yourself short, Judge, you're an incredible slouch.....

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 29, 2005 12:11 PM
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You

Shawn Holster

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Registered: Nov 22, 2004
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 29, 2005 8:29 PM
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wasn't an insult, bob...quick little caddyshack quote to your bit about being (you, I, Jaime, etc) the peons or whatever...once again bob, lighten up a bit- saw it as a compliment. I'm not your enemy.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Nov 29, 2005 11:05 PM
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Point

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