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Gabriel Combs

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Registered: Jun 16, 2002
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 19, 2005 11:19 AM
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I think you achieve the drawing. The peice with the feather in wood, for example. Yes, an object can be used in a peice, and I think even better get to the point or feeling. This however, leaves me at odds with collage and appropriation in my work. Now that you explain the road map, it makes more sense. Funny, that one lends itself to being explained, but others probably would'nt.

James Michael Lawrence

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Registered: Jan 3, 2004
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 19, 2005 11:31 AM
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Kathryn Browning

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Registered: Apr 22, 2005
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 19, 2005 3:58 PM
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I seem to recall reading this discussion before. And since when is a photograph of an object or anything else stealing? It is what it is - a photograph. Do I need permission from the department of public works to display a photo of a power line? That doesn't make sense. Photos of people are a separate issue. Anyhow, congrats to everyone on your recent sales! Gives me hope. Sam, I notice how woefully low art is priced at some of the art fairs, which leads me to believe that this gives the perception that all art should be priced as such. I mean, I appreciate the fact that I can afford to buy art, but it isn't much help to those trying to make a living at it. I recently priced some framed photos at $50 a piece, but it was for a non-profit fundraiser. Geez, maybe I should have priced them higher since it the money will go to a good cause.

Let me give your comments some more thought...

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 1:21 PM
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I'll probably bring it up again sometime too. Who really cares? So what? Don't read it.

Anyways, one can debate the art market here in this thread, I guess. I think taking the development of the art scene here, and the blunt, obvious growth of organizations such as the WAC and the MIA is evidence that the high end is flourishing. The building by the river, with so much focus on art, architecture, ect. The Soap Factory's growth, NE in general. Countless others prove the lower end is even getting a little trickle down or somesuch. Look at all the wealth moving here from all over. One just has to find a way to get through the bulk of average artists that are selling just because they can afford marketing or have time on their hands. Money in the bank, a home, a nice car, ect. Stand up and push their mediocre shit out of the way. You'll have to spend your hard earned minimum wage to do it, or get damned creative. Who knows? There are plenty of artists here that should be selling more, I agree. But then, there are a lot of people who don't really make much money at their jobs. A whole lot. Fifty bucks is even a lot of money to spend on art for a lot of people. It comes down to the fact that one would have to cater to the wealthy to sell much art. Middle class at least. But what percentage of the population is that? I don't really even know anybody with wealth. Its ironic how so many artists are liberal, anti american, and want to sell art in an economy based on what they protest against. If you get your political wishes, you won't sell art either. Rambling thoughts of course. I'm going to go ride my bike and draw and try to numb my mind that is'nt focused on biking and drawing.

James Michael Lawrence

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 2:27 PM
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Gabriel Combs

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 3:26 PM
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I'd have to ask a lot of specific questions to do a proper survey, of course. Its the way it often seems to me. Is one tough enough to not get distracted in thinking its them, I don't know. Just where does anyone stand anyways, and are they able to explain it and stick up for whatever. Yes, you did'nt put that $ in the bank from art, and you had to spend your own to represent yourself and promote yourself. Buy supplies. Shit, i'm going to buy an art store and a gallery, some studio space to rent out and call the shots on what resumes pass for real art.

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Kathryn Browning

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Registered: Apr 22, 2005
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 7:53 PM
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> I'll probably bring it up again sometime too. Who
> really cares? So what? Don't read it.
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Um yea, whatever, that wasn't my point.

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Kathryn Browning

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Registered: Apr 22, 2005
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 8:04 PM
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Hey, we all have to make a living. I work hard at everything I do, including art. We all make choices-I choose to work full time and my art is part time. I don't want to wonder about where to sleep at night nor do I want to be criticized for not sacrificing enough for my "art" but it will happen I guess. The price of art does not define the art, shit, mediocre or otherwise. I agree Gabe, we are seeing an influx of what appears to be many people with a lot of disposible income. What I see are a lot of empty-nesters cashing in on the equity of their homes moving in to the downtown area. I see a lot of great art in small galleries-I think in general the organized art events are on the right track. Again we get down to marketing.

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 8:54 PM
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I think the answer to the art market improving is yes. But its just starting to happen, and it will be insanely competitive. Guerrilla marketing.

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 9:39 PM
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> I think the answer to the art market improving is
> yes. But its just starting to happen, and it will be
> insanely competitive. Guerrilla marketing.

Agree to show with me in a "Regulars of the MNArists.org Forums" exhibition. I am proposing it for after May 06, I want five of us to market the hell out of the time we have spent talking up art in Minnesota.

Are you ready to be "competative" (Insanely)?

Jaime

Gabriel Combs

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 21, 2005 9:41 PM
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Guerrilla

Kathryn Browning

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Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:16 AM
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You know, I was thinking more about this on the drive in this am. First, I really do think we undervalue ourselves and our art. I have met a couple of artists who do work on commission and occasionally show pieces. They command fairly high prices for their work, but I can't be certain that was not the case when they first started. A worthy discussion next time I see one of them. Outside of the typical art fair sort of thing, surely it's a matter of starting out, pricing competitively and once established more $$. I so far out on this thread I'm not sure I'm addressing Sam's entire question, observation. For some reason, I can't help but feel like we are still perceived as a "small town" of sorts, hence our efforts not taken as seriously. I would be curious to talk to folks in Sedona, Arizona which really is a small town, how they got on the national map as an arts community. I saw nothing underpriced in the few galleries I visited There were galleries and gift shops in every little town we passed through on the way to Sedona. Guess I'll do a little research. I don't know if the art market here is improving-I see more galleries now and as Gabe pointed out, Soap Factory is doing phenomenal work.

Wilson Rohan

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From: 250 East 6th, Lowertown
Registered: Aug 11, 2005
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 22, 2005 12:15 PM
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You know it's interesting to me. I knew a guy back in the '70s who not only lived off the sales of his art, he supported a family (wife, two daughters, and a son), a mortgage and two cars. Another friend made enough money to support his expensive party life and build custom Volkswagens. I'd like to see someone do that today.

I only sell a tiny percentage of my paintings, and most of those are commissions. I admit that I paint mostly for the satisfaction (and to make gifts). It's a good thing I have a second "real" job as a compliance engineer... Oh the irony! If it were not for the painting I would feel so useless.

Kathryn Browning

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Registered: Apr 22, 2005
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 22, 2005 1:18 PM
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Well, the two artists I spoke of make a living off art, however one is an art instructor.

Irony indeed. Art is what helps keep me sane.

I also am noticing that jobs within the arts are terribly low paying. I've been looking outside of what I do for a living in the legal field at positions with various theatres and non-profits. I suspect I just opened a another pandora's box about the money and art administrators. Whole other subject.

Anyhow, maybe it is simply our culture overall...cheap scandinavians!

Boy, it would be great to be making money just doing art and it support living decently.

jaime longoria

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Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Is the Twin Cities art market beginning to improve?
Posted: Aug 22, 2005 10:15 PM
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> "Ah shaaaa; get off your knees; make better work;
> market the hell out of the idea that you are a
> "Minnesota Artist", quit whining and sell, sell
> selll"
>
> Whining? What the hell do you call your routine piss
> and moan postings about 1) Michael Fallon, 2) The
> Walker Art Center, 3) The Minnesota Artists
> Exhibition Program, 4) The McKnight Foundation, and
> let's not forget to mention 5) WHITE AMERICA...etc.,
> etc., etc. What do you call it? Performance art?
> Many disagree. As far as the market goes...I sold
> four prints this week after not selling anything for
> quite some time. The buyer had seen them previously
> here on mnartists.org - Which I think says something
> about the importance of the site in regard to how
> Minnesota artists can gain incredible exposure by
> becoming members and putting their works on the Web.

It was a great pleasure to be in the same auction with you at Art Budda the other night. I really enjoyed seeing the smallnest of your work. Good price also.

I was very delighted when a fellow artist bought my piece. I had set the price at what my work usually sells; but this crowd was mostly ohter artists; so I lowered my minimum price to secure a sale for the good cause.

Do you understand what I am "saying" James?

I do not whine in Coyote; I create the dialogues that "move" us out of our stade complacency.

See you at the next charity auction.

Coyote A
Chicano Artist
de Minnesota

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