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mav pimpin

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From: arizona
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chicano artist
Posted: Sep 8, 2005 2:23 PM

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mav pimpin

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From: arizona
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Re: chicano artist
Posted: Sep 8, 2005 2:24 PM

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Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 11, 2005 2:51 PM

Why in the art world is it so difficult to have and enforce standards? Why do we not naturally weed out the inferior, thereby making our profession more coherent for the consumer as well as those interested in cheering on the production of great work?

chicano word?

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 11, 2005 3:27 PM

Glad you enjoy my writing, Jaime.

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 11, 2005 10:52 PM

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> Glad you enjoy my writing, Jaime.

It often reminds me of what I have said so myself.

What I think is sad about Mike's Lament is that he is getting old and deciding that it all was pointless; his generations adventure into making Art. So many of them are getting old and see no future success for the "ideas" that drove "thier Art". Sad thing is that it is just that he has not read Art History with an honest eye; every period has it's horde of "pretenders". Many were quite "acomplished" and "successful" and significant in thier day; But Art is not a "fashion", it must last beyond the day of the Artists time.

Even sadder is what Ann blurted out here about the VACUM group; they are a fraud; they do not champion the cause of Minnesota Art. Hopefully you and Gabe still believe in your work; it is the only hope that Fallon has to see Minnesota Artists gain international recognition.

Do you think this Wil guy will do his homework and find out what is here in the forums vis a vis the really significant voices in Minnesota Art?

I think it a waste of "Editor Dollars" to have paid Fallon for "two' articles when one was pathetic enough.

I am still hopeful that he will one day realize that in order to be acknowledge as a "Critic" he must "Critize", and to do that he must study art history, as wide and deep as it is, and yes it does have too many choices; but then we practicing Artists must also force ourselves to look at all Art in order to create our "Own School of Art". Remeber that my friend. The Coyote will hold you to your words!!!

Jimmy Longoria
The Chicano Artist De Minnesota

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 11, 2005 11:21 PM

> The Coyote will hold you to your words!!!
>
> Jimmy Longoria
> The Chicano Artist De Minnesota

Holding me to my words is fine. Holding me to my works is better.

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 14, 2005 12:46 PM

> > The Coyote will hold you to your words!!!
> >
> > Jimmy Longoria
> > The Chicano Artist De Minnesota
>
> Holding me to my words is fine. Holding me to my
> works is better.

Ah but have they bought you out? it is your words and not work that will propell you into the center light of the Art world. You see my dear friend; and I would call you my "Art Son" if you had the commitment to your work that you seem to have to your ego centric career.

Your "Article" elevatesor de-elevates you to they same atmosphere as the VACUMnites. Empty headed wanta be Artists.

Your "words" are the same shallow drivel that they write. Do I as a fellow artist really care how you feel about what you do as an Artist or am more concerned about what is important about your work.

I would hope that you stick to your bold claim to be determied to create the Sam Spicka School of Sculpture; that in so doing you would be one of the Artists to create a distinct and Identifiable School of Minnesota Art. But it seems you are content to speak the same self indulgent ego -navel inspection drivel.

your friend
coyote

jaime longoria
The Chicano Artist de Minnesota

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 14, 2005 5:07 PM

> Do I as a fellow artist really care how you
> feel about what you do as an Artist or am more
> concerned about what is important about your work.

Then don't read my words, Jaime. Just look at the work. Bought me out? Perhaps what is most offensive by a fellow artist "selling out" is that someone was willing to pay? I didn't sell a single thing for 4 solid years prior to this one. I've spent my time wandering in the desert, being bit by gadflies larger than yourself. I've been innoculated.

My sculptures, which were always strong, are getting much stronger. The fact that I am capable of writing about it coherently as well must really challenge your assumptions. Perhaps they need challenging. Does the ability to express myself in writing take away the full day I just put in the shop/studio? Just like I did yesterday and the day before that? There's nothing inherent about working with steel that makes one stupid and illiterate.

If you are truly a man of integrity, you will judge me by my work. But since so few can do it better, I will always be prepared to battle on multiple fronts.

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 15, 2005 10:15 AM

> > Do I as a fellow artist really care how you
> > feel about what you do as an Artist or am more
> > concerned about what is important about your work.
>
> Then don't read my words, Jaime. Just look at the
> work. Bought me out? Perhaps what is most
> offensive by a fellow artist "selling out" is that
> someone was willing to pay? I didn't sell a single
> thing for 4 solid years prior to this one. I've
> spent my time wandering in the desert, being bit by
> gadflies larger than yourself. I've been
> innoculated.
>
> My sculptures, which were always strong, are getting
> much stronger. The fact that I am capable of writing
> about it coherently as well must really challenge
> your assumptions. Perhaps they need challenging.
> Does the ability to express myself in writing take
> away the full day I just put in the shop/studio?
> Just like I did yesterday and the day before that?
> ? There's nothing inherent about working with steel
> that makes one stupid and illiterate.
>
> If you are truly a man of integrity, you will judge
> me by my work. But since so few can do it better, I
> will always be prepared to battle on multiple fronts.

Well then my friend; onto your work!

I believe that while your handling of the materials of your sculpture is beyond anything seen here in the twin cities the indecisive nature of your content is indicative of a defective Art identity.

The power of the rendering of the biomorphic forms is awe inspiring but you cheapen the work with incorporation of mathamatical/physics allusions in the form of geometric/functional machanations. The work seems to beg for acceptence of having a "concept/idea" emmbedded in its "body". It is a poor choice to try to appeal to the "idea and concept crowd". Art is not topical; it is timeless. The reason that you are discriminated against by the MAEP staff is that your work when it "comes to town" will make it impossible to justify all of the past and current "Sculptors". In a word, your power, that comes from your apprentice to your father( who is not of the limpwristed Art community) to handle material is "DANGEROUS" to the hordes of wantaby sculptors that "paid" for thier degrees. If you were allowed to come into the MAEP; then there would be a very real line drawn in the sand for anyone who wants to claim to be a sculptor. Right now Fallon can write about an installation of badly tac welded, pretensciously explained pile of scrap metal as if it meant something and the Ann led Girls Club would ooh and awe over what a "woman" sculptress/sculptor can do!!! But my friend, your work with multigenerational skill would set a standard that would for that "girl" to spend another 10 years to catch up with your skill.

The one great value of what used be a "Masters Degree" was that once upon a time the artist trying to get a Masters could be denied the certificate if his committee did not acknowledge that his work was "masterful". And time was that that process took years beyond the two years of classes.

Now a days the Degree is meaningless becasue any idiot with mommy and daddy behind them or the ability go into lifelong debt can buy the "ticket". Where this story gets tragic is when you read the vitae of such "masters" what Fallon called "accomplished". They have an endless journey of exhibitions that are driven by thier professional association and not by the caliber of the work. My service in the MAEP allowed me to see how abusive is the process that rewards the "ticket" and does not awaken the "artist" to the lack of talent in their work. Hence thats to culture of "friends and good accomplishment" we have in the state of Minnesota a mountain of work that even Fallon is getting tired of looking at.

"Idea" art was never the right direction for the makers of culture. It really was for the market of "Fashion". Wharhol was right for a time when we had no sense of "values" and were in a great hurry to "buy' the next great fad.

Since then; we have had to stare at those boxes, and all that is justified by that line of thinking and come to realize that just because you enjoy makeing things and do not want a "working job/career" you can call yourself "Artist" and buy yourself into the "scene" and network and then presto changeo your are "Padilla"???

It is sad to become a fraud in your old age.

Art is not for sissys. Each of us must put our soul into the work and then tear it down. What is left is then torn down by the work of all other artists of our communal history. If it can stand then you can call it "Art". But before you call yourself a "Maestro" you must have the work that escapes the mob.

Your allusions to science and idea in your current work is the weakness on what you are doing.

Jaime Longoria
The Chicano Artist de Minnesota

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 15, 2005 10:49 AM

> Your allusions to science and idea in your current
> work is the weakness on what you are doing.
>
> Jaime Longoria
> The Chicano Artist de Minnesota

Ah, but you're making the same mistake that every other petty ideologue makes - believing that the world is reducible to conceptual theories and nothing more. It is much more complex than you or your supposed adversaries give it credit for.

Where do you think science and machines came from? They came from the Earth, and the hints of their origins are still there. My forms, all of my forms, are not affectations. They arise from the ground, from my history and from my skill. You assume that growing up in the country, I was reduced to wandering around like some savant. My parents, though not rich, gave me access to encyclopedias and books. I compared what I learned with my acual experience in the fields and the forest. I was exposed to many concepts and theories, but they were grounded in experience.

Concept for you is the pre-loaded texture of a Photoshop program. Hit a button and the entire world is transformed into a rigid, coherent system. Those are the concepts of fools.

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Oct 15, 2005 5:21 PM

> > Your allusions to science and idea in your current
> > work is the weakness on what you are doing.
> >
> > Jaime Longoria
> > The Chicano Artist de Minnesota
>
> Ah, but you're making the same mistake that every
> other petty ideologue makes - believing that the
> world is reducible to conceptual theories and nothing
> more.

The problem my friend is that ideas about the world are now far more complex than the "language" allows us the ability to manipulate. Hence the value of what we "regulars" do here. Groups of indiviudaul viewpoints are now more important than one authorized and endoursed view of anything. Fallon flirts with the challenge that faces all "idea" workers(conceptionally based artists); the vast and broadly diverse world and it's history does not allow for the impossion of singularly centered cannons.

It is much more complex than you or your
> supposed adversaries give it credit for.
>
> Where do you think science and machines came from?

The conceptual root of science is based on qualified and summerized observation: what we see and understand.

Machines are "extensions of our interface with the natural world". We have yet to enjoy the fruit of the union of those two "cultural" evolutions.

Nature is now almost invisible to us through the scurtany of "Scientific Perception" and "Machanical Manipulation". You as a comptemporary of mine are far more distant from nature than I was when I too walked the furrows of the black earth.

> They came from the Earth, and the hints of their
> origins are still there. My forms, all of my forms,
> are not affectations.

A little more humility would help you see that your forms will always pale befoe those that "Nature" makes.

They arise from the ground,
> from my history and from my skill. You assume that
> growing up in the country,

Your world was not much different than mine. I do not deminish any trained Artists eyes; it is the limiting of the hand by a shallow ego that I question. I do beleive that the geo'physical' allusions in the biomorfic work is only the insecurity of an imature artist trying to induce the acceptence of the Art Mobs. I thin you lack the "Artists Testicals" to go it alone with pure biomorphic forms drawn from the the bones the coyotes have left in those fields for you to ponder and learn from the experience of own your hand what the eyes of others must learn to see.

I was reduced to
> wandering around like some savant. My parents,
> though not rich, gave me access to encyclopedias and
> books. I compared what I learned with my acual
> experience in the fields and the forest. I was
> exposed to many concepts and theories, but they were
> grounded in experience.

And I challenge you to be true to that experience!!!

>
> Concept for you is the pre-loaded texture of a
> Photoshop program.

You have never seen my paintings in real life. The photo medium can not capture the subtle effects that my brush hand imparts. Phot images are never a substitution for the painted surface. As two demensional images are not the experience of your sculptures. I do not use the "tool" to perform for me as some of the techno artists: I draw with a mouse; try it some time and perhaps you will understand why i infuriate "graphic artists" who insist that I did the drawings with a "stylist program". I use the computer to suggest what my hand must then find in it's ancient prehistoric memory. That is what painting really is; prehistoric communication. My tilting at the Art Wind Mills is about that; the failure of the Mob to understand that Art is not about ready made fashion. It is about the contiunityof the mystic history of making Art. Sculpture is there with Muralism as the early forms of Art that is primarily tribal. You can not make sculptur that is personal; it is an oxymoron. Your art form is by it's nature exturanl to your experience of it.

Hit a button and the entire world
> is transformed into a rigid, coherent system. Those
> are the concepts of fools.

The Coyote is a "fool" on a cosmic scale.

Go ask a native person about what Coyote is; I sculpt the space between your ears my young friend

Jimmy Longoria
The Chicano Artist de Minnesota

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005

Re: chicano artist
Posted: Nov 30, 2005 12:56 PM

This is call to all Latino, Hispanic, Chicano, Puerto Rican Artists in this area to come to a meeting of the region. This meeting is being organized by the Minister of Eduaction of Latino Artists Group (LAG).

Please email Jaime Longoria at mentoringpeace@mac.com for further details.

Coyote Infinity
The Chicano Artist de Minnesota

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