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dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 20, 2003 3:14 PM
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I can't seen to keep up with this conversation. I took the afternoon off to play. (it's 50 degrees!!)

Sam, I was interested in why you wouldn't consider doing more lions if people wanted to buy? I started a new topic regarding those types of issues. answer there if you want

I used to make masonite at a factory here in Duluth.

Can someone make the topic list start with the LAST page, and work back?

And...the potato salad comment. Just being a (too?) nice Minnasotan

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 20, 2003 4:21 PM
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> Meeting at your place first and then procceeding like
> lemmings to the capitol is an interesting idea...
>
> Sam

No we will be going to the MIA not the Capital.

Next Thursday we will go to the Capital, but we would be best to meet there.

Jaime

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 20, 2003 5:56 PM
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Jaime, I guess I got confused there. That's what happens when you don't pay attention to the calendar. The two ideas merged into a Saturday the 27th that does not exist. I think two saturdays from now going to the MAI might work. Who else wants to come?

Sam

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 20, 2003 6:01 PM
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> I can't seen to keep up with this conversation. I
> took the afternoon off to play. (it's 50 degrees!!)
>
> Sam, I was interested in why you wouldn't consider
> doing more lions if people wanted to buy? I started a
> new topic regarding those types of issues. answer
> there if you want
>
> I used to make masonite at a factory here in Duluth.
>
> Can someone make the topic list start with the LAST
> page, and work back?
>
> And...the potato salad comment. Just being a (too?)
> nice Minnasotan


The weather definitely made work more difficult today. I will post my comments about the lion in your other thread. That is a good idea, reversing the page order. Especially with this monster of a thread.

sam

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 24, 2003 7:49 PM
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Well... no one has responded. It must be a job for the web page engineer, whomever he or she is. I also wonder if an author can pull a topic out if it turns out to be a bomb?

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 24, 2003 9:34 PM
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OK, I love you all but PLEASE STOP TALKING!!!
So many times i have been offended
so many times I have been enlightened
but theres TO MANY WORDS! JUST SHUT UP! Go have a dream so you can communicate in universal metaphors, or use that brian power to solve some problems other then ego modification.
I just can't respond. I mean, it's been an experience, but 16 pages!?!? Get a room was right. Publish a book.

seeing ending tide wavers spill out green hushing
I fail at mopping oil coast writers away
pronounced dictation diving
mind mined and slashed free simple comet
by the way you confuse your ones with my twos
puck hiding last winter jell news
We were arguing about empires of dirt
when the sun exploded and vaporized everything we knew

THE END!!!!!

Sam Spiczka

Posts: 1,671
From: Sartell, MN
Registered: Jul 20, 2001
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 24, 2003 11:47 PM
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Ray, your first post on this topic is to tell everyone else to shut up? Nobody's forcing you to come in here. If you don't like it in this room, then don't come back. It's just that simple.

Sam

Colin Rusch

Posts: 1,435
Registered: Oct 16, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 24, 2003 11:48 PM
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P.S. We would have to change all of the forums to the last post first format to get it to work for one. We could potentially do that if you all would find it easier to deal with. But remember you can click in the last post area to get directly to the last post in any thread.

Colin

Ann Klefstad

Posts: 48
From: Duluth
Registered: Feb 25, 2003
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 25, 2003 4:28 PM
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Ok, ok, this has all been happening and I've been mum. Wanting to hear where it all goes. First--is some art good and some bad? Sure. and Coyote's right, kids can tell about some of it. Art works in some ways through perceptual knowledge we all have. But sometimes there is reason to say a work is wonderful because of ideas it contains that don't rest on hardwiring.
Next--cultural heritages. Like other writers to this thread, I'm of Norwegian heritage. This is an odd nationality: Norwegians were among the poorest people in Europe for a long time, only 5 percent of the land is arable there, they eat a lot of fish, they had no nobility, thy are very egalitarian, they tend to be very patriotic, at least they were in my grandparents' days (they were the ones to come to this country) in part because they had just recently (1905) won their independence from Denmark. They had been colonial subjects, of a kind. There was a huge "back to authentic Norse culture" thing in the first half of this century because of this, not so different from Azatlan, you know, Coyote. But another thing about Norwegians--the country's always been too crowded; the people have always been boat people, venturing out to all sorts of places, harsh ones, ones that already belonged to other people, empty ones that no one else could find or no one else wanted. We've always been in diaspora, always been wanderers, exiles, immigrants. My great uncle died in the Yucatan of liver cancer, leaving behind a Mayan wife and 3 kids. And we assimilate pretty good, we've had a couple thousand years of practice. So "cultural heritage" for us is weird--it's desperately important, but it's also something that gets dumped alot in the (historically) pretty tough struggle not to starve or get killed by the locals or drown or stumble over about a thousand other ways to go down. It's not all lefse, people. (Actually, lefse is a sign of our historic povery. Almost no one had enough money or fuel to bake bread in an actual oven. Most farm houses in Norway, for an awfully long time, just had the open hearth to cook on, so flat breads made from barley, oats, rye, or potatoes--cause mostly the growing season is too short for wheat--are the national breads. Kind of like that tortilla thing of yours, Coyote)

So it's an interesting cultural heritage, historically, but part of it is a culture of assimilation. Norwegians fought for the Byzantine emperors in Constantinople for hundreds of years, and that's why it's the only cuisine in Europe to use cardamom, a Middle Eastern spice. And we've been pretty successful in America because of that long history of making a go of exile, assimilating when we had to, being canny about playing by others' rules but not losing our souls. It's an old story for Norwegians. So sometimes we can seem just white--transparent, translucent to the mainstream around us--but paradoxically that is our heritage.

Long rave, but it's surprising how few people know about this stuff--

On this discussion as well--artistic quality? Or qualities? Click into the discussion on mnartists articles by using the links at the ends of reviews etc on the front page. Let's start weaving a tapestry of ideas that includes the art being done now, as well as the gorgeous haystacks and starry nights of the past.

And hey--field trips? Include me in, ok? What's been scheduled?

AK

Ray Rolfe

Posts: 3,263
From: Northeast Minneapolis
Registered: Sep 5, 2001
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 25, 2003 11:22 PM
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Hey Sam man, go make a Lion.
Ahh just kidding, I'm back so whats that tell ya? nothing personal, just a mirror projection thing.

ANN K, Thank you! That was a nice history lesson on a piece of my own historic culture I knew nothing of. Even though I'm from "Nordeast".

On being an Artist with a capital A;
is that A for asshole? Children have pure creativity untainted by ego pride. Some say everyone is an artist by virtue of being human. Is it not natural to create? When I dream and when I paint, is not the same image maker at work? To say one who considers their being manifest as an artist, is not an artist, or an uncreative shallow non-artist, is a harsh judgment stripping them of their humanity. Being ignorant of your culture, my culture, our culture, their culture, the culture, is whatever you make it. A blessing or offence. A freedom from convention or a prison of illeducation? It's really up to me for myself and you for yourself.
somehow i feel the dialogue Is far beyond this.
Is the source of true creativity, thus ARTISTRY, a gift of grace you surrender to or a product of a studied and practiced ego? I strongly feel it is the former due to my experience with dreaming... but no, it can be both. Awareness of culture induces lucidity. If you recognize the culture of your dreams while you dwell there you may create what you will, with full knowledge of your genius. Ahhhh i suspect we're all whistling the same tune in the end. Disharmony/noise theory make it interesting...
skit! Now this mumbo jumbo will come up whenever someone googles my name... oh well..
~R

Gabriel Combs

Posts: 1,497
Registered: Jun 16, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 26, 2003 4:26 AM
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"is that A for asshole?"

Thank you for your "genius". Go take some more acid.

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 26, 2003 12:08 PM
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> Hey Sam man, go make a Lion.
> Ahh just kidding, I'm back so whats that tell ya?
> nothing personal, just a mirror projection thing.
>
> ANN K, Thank you! That was a nice history lesson on a
> piece of my own historic culture I knew nothing of.
> Even though I'm from "Nordeast".
>
> On being an Artist with a capital A;
> is that A for asshole? Children have pure creativity
> untainted by ego pride. Some say everyone is an
> artist by virtue of being human. Is it not natural to
> create? When I dream and when I paint, is not the
> same image maker at work? To say one who considers
> their being manifest as an artist, is not an artist,
> or an uncreative shallow non-artist, is a harsh
> judgment stripping them of their humanity. Being
> ignorant of your culture, my culture, our culture,
> their culture, the culture, is whatever you make it.
> A blessing or offence. A freedom from convention or a
> prison of illeducation? It's really up to me for
> myself and you for yourself.
> somehow i feel the dialogue Is far beyond this.
> Is the source of true creativity, thus ARTISTRY, a
> gift of grace you surrender to or a product of a
> studied and practiced ego? I strongly feel it is the
> former due to my experience with dreaming... but no,
> it can be both. Awareness of culture induces
> lucidity. If you recognize the culture of your dreams
> while you dwell there you may create what you will,
> with full knowledge of your genius. Ahhhh i
> suspect we're all whistling the same tune in the end.
> Disharmony/noise theory make it interesting...
> skit! Now this mumbo jumbo will come up whenever
> someone googles my name... oh well..
> ~R

My most lost and illusive Ray> thanks for the poetic rumblings,... but gather up your salted visions and waltz along the boulevard and seed the cosmos with gentle words of kinship,....I use these posts as my art form. Welcome if you come in ernest farewell if you mean to demean my friends who have gathered here for meaningful discourse. Respect is a lost art form in this society. If my ideas offend you, it is not of my doing. It is not my error. I have a right to my ideas. As I enjoy my right I gift it to others, but none of us has a right to silence genuine discourse.

coyote

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 26, 2003 12:23 PM
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Oops as they say. The big day is tomorrow. I have heard very little from other people. It well may be that it will be a bust.

Onto the brunch and field trip. The Saturday after this one sounds good. Please e-mail me directly if you are coming and I will give directions. Looking forward to meeting all.

Jaime
vivitaus@msn.com

jaime longoria

Posts: 1,161
Registered: Oct 7, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 26, 2003 12:25 PM
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Sounds like a good idea. I enjoyed the e-mail bulletin, but it would be nice to have a teaser in the invitations to the forums.
c4

dale snyder

Posts: 509
From: Lakewood Township, Duluth
Registered: Oct 21, 2002
Re: Dialogue
Posted: Feb 26, 2003 8:36 PM
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Gabriel,

I had to laugh at the acid remark. Makes sense though, just didn't think anyone did that anymore. ( I did spend some time in West Bank 1969) Sorry about repeating my Q in suggestions...can't be everywhere I guess.

Ann,

I find the tutorial on Norwegian history fascinating. I have family (extended) who hail from that area, and have mentioned my friends's rosemalling here before. A class act.

Thanks!

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