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Reggie Prim

Posts: 17
Registered: Dec 3, 2002
Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 5, 2005 4:40 PM
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http://www.evesmag.com/murrow1.jpg

"When this nation was drowning in cowardice and demagoguery, it was Murrow who hurled the spear at the terror...He regarded the news as a sacred trust. Accuracy was everything."
Edward R. Murrow and the Time of His Time
By Joseph Wershba
http://www.evesmag.com/murrow.htm


I was meeting a prominent Kenyan writer, visiting the U.S. courtesy of the State Department for the first time, when she suddenly asked me, "So, what does it mean to be an American?!" She asked this question with what seemed a sense of urgency..as if was important for her to find out. After babbling on for many minutes, I figured out that I didn't know and that this uncertainty might be the only answer I have right now.

I think our identity as a nation is in flux. We are being buffeted by so many forces and events. When the electorate is polarized, when an unpopular war is being fought; when disaster srikes at the heart of the nation; when cronyism and incompetence bedvil our leaders; when a growing majority of the world feels the U.S. is more a threat to peace and stability than a beacon of hope and, dare I even use the word, freedom, than it's no wonder, I'm a little confused about what it means to be an American right now.

So, when I sat down to watch Good Night and Good Luck, the latest from Warner Independent and George Clooney, I felt that the movie brought this question of American identity into high relief. and, I felt a little shame for not really knowing much about Edward R. Murrow and his part in bringing down the demagogue Senator McCarthy. Because, if Murrow had not stood up to McCarthy, I know I'd be living in even scarier world. It's an important story because, once again, events such as the Victoria Plame affair, the WMD story, the aftermath of Katrina and the debates about fairness, balance and bias have forced us to ask hard questions about the role of the media in speaking truth to power and defending civil liberties.

Recently, for a few days during the aftermath of Katrina, it seemed the gloves had come off and that reporters were again ascerting some of the independence that charachterized Murrow. And today there was a scorching editorial response in the New York times to the President's speech rallying Americans to support the War on Terror.

During the planning of the screening, Walker film and video and education and community programs staff sat down and discussed how we could link the film to current event and issues of importance to us now. And this central question of "What does it mean to be an American?" emerged as a kind of touchstone or jumping off place for discussion around and related to the defense of civil liberties, the role of media and its power to shape our opinions of recent events, and what we as individual citizens are called to do to protect the rights and liberties of a democratic system. It is still a topic worthy of debate and consideration. We invite you to lend your thoughts to this question in this space.

Some additional questions came up for me during the film:

What right to we have to hold political opinions that may be contrary to the current administration or the state?

How do we balance national security and the rights of individuals?

How much are we willing to sacrifice to defend our civil liberties?

Are fluff and celebrity reporting being used to distract us from debating and addressing important issues?

How does corporate media ownership affect what is reported in the news?

Given, that the Bush administration's creation of "news" was recently deemed illegal, how much of what we are seeing is really propaganda?

Good Night and Good Luck
http://wip.warnerbros.com/goodnightgoodluck/

Daniel Schorr remembers Edward R. Murrow
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9593259/

President Bush's Major Speech: Doing the 9/11 Time Warp Again
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/07/opinion/07fri1.htm


Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 12, 2005 11:21 PM
  Reply

Ah,

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 14, 2005 4:44 PM
  Reply

> Ah, I can't believe no one has responded to this
> post. However, it's understandable in that 99
> percent of our artists are not interested in
> untangling such a knot.
>
> I haven't seen the film, but I will. I suspect that
> it is not historically accurate. It will probably be
> as accurate as other films about McCarthyism, or
> Vietnam, or the Kennedy assassination.
>
> Murrow's famous interview in 1954 was a cut and paste
> job. McCarthy was the beginning of the Left's
> political and cultural triumphal march toward its
> utopia. Sadly, today, we find ourselves in something
> of the downside of a perverted Weimar Republic.
> Vikings rollicking to blow jobs in the company of
> adolescents, in public, raises not so much of an
> eyebrow, except for those acceding and hoping to
> join in, is only the latest apparition of the 45
> years of descent, deconstruction, revolution, of the
> Western Civilization.
>
> What is an American?

Jimmy R. Longoria; The Chicano Artist de Minnesota is an American.


First read "Who Are We?" by
> Huntington. I'm going to re-read a recent biography
> of McCarthy, and I'll be back later.
>
> I'll also have many questions concerning the
> assumptions in the text of Reggie's post.

Why not deal with the questions in the text? His assumptions can only be as misguided as yours. So sort of like two blind men shouting at each other in the shower; funny in a lurid sort of way but not quite up to inteligent forum material.

I think it is time to crank up the quality of discourse here on the forums my dear friend. I think it in your best interest to realize that funny things happen on fishing lakes in Wis.

Chicano Artist goes Fishing with "big" really "big" donor to the Walker! And they caught some very big "Sunnies" on hand painted plugs!!!!!

And that "Lady" is a big time lurker!!!!

no lunkers, ha ha ha

Jaime your talented adverssary

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 18, 2005 10:24 AM
  Reply

The reason,

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 18, 2005 11:27 AM
  Reply

> The reason, as I said before left town last week, is
> that one needs to think before one writes. I'm back
> now, half through the biography on the life and times
> of McCarthy, and still thinking about the incorrect
> assumptions in Reggie's original post.
>
> Concurrently, I have to make a living, which means I
> have to work. What is completely puzzling is that
> there could be an Education Dept. within WAC that is
> baffled by "What is an American" when there are texts
> already written confronting the phenomenon, which,
> apparently, are unknown to said panel. And then
> there is the irrefutable fact that "American" culture
> has been neglected within the academy as
> multiculturalism as a religion engorges our
> institutions and pukes hatred for the West while
> saying that it would love to be an American, if only
> America could conform to the revolution;


I think you have the word mixed up with it's application to historic events.

In America we have had only one revolution an that was change the seat of governmental authority from a "truly" Anglo Male site (England) to a somewhat "Mongol" federation of Anti European capitalists( the thirty very diverse 13 Colonies).

Your neo fascist heroes; including Nixon never have had the manhood( to not even photograph their testicles) to mount another revolution. Words no matter how well spun are not historic facts.


The very
> revolution that Chambers, Bentley, and finally,
> McCarthy exposed. It's really great the way Nixon got
> ahold of Hiss and chewed him to a pulp in a pumpkin
> patch.

But if you must let us discuss Joe's little adventure for what it was "terrorism". Care to show us if you have some?

coyote libre
chicano art in minnesota

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 18, 2005 4:03 PM
  Reply

Funny

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 19, 2005 12:03 AM
  Reply

It's

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 19, 2005 7:14 PM
  Reply

> http://www.evesmag.com/murrow1.jpg
>
> "When this nation was drowning in cowardice and
> demagoguery, it was Murrow who hurled the spear at
> the terror...He regarded the news as a sacred trust.
> Accuracy was everything."

> Edward R. Murrow and the Time of His
> Time

> By Joseph Wershba
> http://www.evesmag.com/murrow.htm
>
>
> I was meeting a prominent Kenyan writer, visiting the
> U.S. courtesy of the State Department for the first
> time, when she suddenly asked me, "So, what does
> it mean to be an American?!"
She asked this
> question with what seemed a sense of urgency..as if
> was important for her to find out. After babbling on
> for many minutes, I figured out that I didn't know
> and that this uncertainty might be the only answer I
> have right now.
>
> I think our identity as a nation is in flux. We are
> being buffeted by so many forces and events. When the
> electorate is polarized, when an unpopular war is
> being fought; when disaster srikes at the heart of
> the nation; when cronyism and incompetence bedvil our
> leaders; when a growing majority of the world feels
> the U.S. is more a threat to peace and stability than
> a beacon of hope and, dare I even use the word,
> freedom, than it's no wonder, I'm a little confused
> about what it means to be an American right now.
>
> So, when I sat down to watch Good Night and Good
> Luck
, the latest from Warner Independent and
> George Clooney, I felt that the movie brought this
> question of American identity into high relief. and,
> I felt a little shame for not really knowing much
> about Edward R. Murrow and his part in bringing down
> the demagogue Senator McCarthy.

Regg; it kinda is bad manners to start a thread and then run away and not answer the responses to your call.
I know you are paid; but this is not a "Blog" it is a forum; discussion is the rule of the day.

I do believe your bosses would like to see you respect "Bob" enough to answer his response to your words; at least you mom might hink she raised ya rit!!!!

Wetback for Christ
coyote infinity


Because, if Murrow
> had not stood up to McCarthy, I know I'd be living in
> even scarier world. It's an important story because,
> once again, events such as the Victoria Plame affair,
> the WMD story, the aftermath of Katrina and the
> debates about fairness, balance and bias have forced
> us to ask hard questions about the role of the media
> in speaking truth to power and defending civil
> liberties.
>
> Recently, for a few days during the aftermath of
> Katrina, it seemed the gloves had come off and that
> reporters were again ascerting some of the
> independence that charachterized Murrow. And today
> there was a scorching editorial response in the New
> York times to the President's speech rallying
> Americans to support the War on Terror.
>
> During the planning of the screening, Walker film and
> video and education and community programs staff sat
> down and discussed how we could link the film to
> current event and issues of importance to us now.
> And this central question of "What does it mean to
> be an American?" emerged as a kind of touchstone or
> jumping off place for discussion around and related
> to the defense of civil liberties, the role of media
> and its power to shape our opinions of recent
> events, and what we as individual citizens are
> called to do to protect the rights and liberties of
> a democratic system. It is still a topic worthy of
> debate and consideration. We invite you to lend
> your thoughts to this question in this space.
>
> Some additional questions came up for me during the
> film:
>
> What right to we have to hold political opinions that
> may be contrary to the current administration or the
> state?
>
> How do we balance national security and the rights of
> individuals?
>
> How much are we willing to sacrifice to defend our
> civil liberties?
>
> Are fluff and celebrity reporting being used to
> distract us from debating and addressing important
> issues?
>
> How does corporate media ownership affect what is
> reported in the news?
>
> Given, that the Bush administration's creation of
> "news" was recently deemed illegal, how much of what
> we are seeing is really propaganda?
>
> Good Night and Good Luck
> http://wip.warnerbros.com/goodnightgoodluck/
>
> Daniel Schorr remembers Edward R. Murrow
> http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9593259/
>
> President Bush's Major Speech: Doing the 9/11 Time
> Warp Again

> http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/07/opinion/07fri1.htm

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 20, 2005 12:51 AM
  Reply

Ah,

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 20, 2005 3:39 PM
  Reply

And how about

seamus leonard

Posts: 20
From: Minneapolis
Registered: Jan 20, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 21, 2005 12:35 PM
  Reply

America today is not America. It is America. It is vague. The pulse of america is not run by its people, it is an illusion that we are running the computer when in fact we are run by a cooperate ideal. In the late 1900 labor laws forced a temporary hold on monopolies and corporate influence on the mass populous, alas the hold has disintegrated and we are unprotected by influence of products.

Products were meant to sustain life not to generate wealth of a monetary means.

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 21, 2005 1:53 PM
  Reply

I would say

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 22, 2005 12:16 AM
  Reply

Not that

Bob Schulz

Posts: 416
From: Brooklyn Park, MN
Registered: Aug 15, 2003
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 22, 2005 12:01 PM
  Reply

Look,

Jimmy longoria

Posts: 112
From: Minnesota
Registered: Oct 6, 2005
Re: Good Night and Good Luck: What does it mean to be an American now?
Posted: Oct 24, 2005 11:26 AM
  Reply

> Look, Jimmy, it can be accurately argued that the
> Community Programs/Education Committee in the WAC
> really has no legitimate mission to view a film about
> Murrow/McCarthyism or question anyone about its
> connection to Americanism without extensive
> reevaluation of recent historic documented
> revelations in the latest books and publications.
>

Accuracy is not my point. Thought is!!!

For every political point of view there is the opposite; but you and I as intelligent beings have a resposibilty to untngle the "spun lies" and draw out the ttruth.

> If there is no comprehensive knowledge base about
> this genre of history, how in God's name could
> anything be learned from such an exercise of
> educational futility?
>
> To understand McCarthyism is to first learn of the
> roots (philosophic failures of Marx/Lenin/Mao) of the
> problem.

Any singular autocratic thought that becomes the political law of the day is a threat to those not of it's flesh.

Next, the catastrophic cost in the human
> slaughter must be factored into the miniscule pain
> suffered by a bunch of liars dragged before HUAC and
> PSI in the 50's. And then George Clooney will appear
> foolish in yet another remake of what is to cement in
> the minds of viewers proof of terror and horror.
>
> If you want to understand terror and horror,
> reference "Mao: The Unknown Story". To stop the
> horror of Mao, or any other murdering Commie
> Son-ov-a-bitch terrorist,

Each of us must fight our own battles against the "terrorists" right in front of us.

But we must look in the "mirror" first before we "cast the first stone".

McCarthy was little enough
> of a response to be almost without significance. And
> the hundreds of traitors, Soviet spies, and fellow
> travelers, should have their careers ruined. And
> those today who lollygag through their lives unawares
> of the evil that lurks beneath the surface of such
> operations as The Nation, for them I have nothing but
> contempt. They should know better. They have been
> regaled with the finest in our land, and yet their
> minds are deliberately barren.

My concern for you is that you easily don the robe of the racist.

Say it ain't so Bob?

Jaime

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