Featured Forum: What's With the Kids These Days?

Originally Posted by Unregistered

You're completely off-topic and insulting to boot. Enough!

I don't think the coyote is at all insulting. What he is, is very frightening. These are very challenging times. As the recent news of great changes in the status quo roster indicate we are going to see different 'voices' attended to by need captains at the helm of our venues. So those of you who have worked hard to forge your 'inside path' to the resources of the arts community now must expect a change in who is the new gatekeeper to those resources.

I am sorry.

But really it is time for the Y to come in. Thy are far more creative at this age and given the rapid changes in technology they are the most able to act on improving the access to the arts than those of you still mired in the 'status' power structure thing.

I thin that this is what is at the base of this topic is about. The turning over of power is not always kind to the current tyrants but it is satisfying for those of us who suffered the slings and arrows of those officially sanctioned to maltreat the outsider rabble. It is only nature at work.

Rabble Riser (rr)

coyote in stripes (green and orange)



Gabe has

[James Michael Lawrence]

Here's an important article for all Minnesota artists to read ASAP - Generation Y - Generation X - and all the generations preceding them - as well as those yet to emerge:

http://www.mnartists.org/article.do?rid=207875

JML

[James Michael Lawrence]

And while they're at it - here's an article for younger artists to reference while considering how to proceed with their careers: http://www.mnartists.org/article.do?rid=205083 Susannah Schouweiler's profile of Polly Norman contains a wealth of insight into how one artist has integrated the business side of being an artist into her creative process. JML

Hello.
This is a test of the Forums as a "place" where the discussion of what is happening to the Arts in Minnesota can take place.
I hope that this one place in all of the media in Minnesota can give any artists or arts professional an opportunity to speak from the heart without fear of retaliation or ridicule.

Anonymity is vital at this time.

I am willing to lead the discussion into what the regular "Joe and Joanne" in the arts has to say about what is going on.

First topic:

Our Governor has proposed a budget that reduces the Arts money from the State to 50% of what it was; he further proposes to "privatize" state support for the Arts.

What does the Art citizen out there feel?

Jimmy Longoria
Chicano Artist de Minnesota

[Ray Rolfe]

my redundant opinions are echoed below.

It is interesting that no one really wants to face the fact that we are in a depression in the Arts.

All of jostling to seem positive completely misses the point-Art needs to be redefined in simple concrete terms. We can not have the same old voices and souls absorb the "language" and assume that change has happened.
Artists running around trying everything under the sun is just more of the same thing that Republicans advanced as American values-Greed: what we need to do is revolution- the word is not about burning bras or wild demonstrations in the streets- it means rotating out the failed leadership.

What is beautiful about American Democracy is that we do it in an orderly fashion. We vote out the fools.

In our non profit sector we are seeing the need to do the same- we need to rotate out the leadership.

We need to begin right here.

Open the forums for all of the quietly desperate voices out there. I am hearing them "in the flesh" but it needs to of out to all of the artists in Minnesota.

We need a place, as promised for all Minnesota to speak out.

If this place can be opened; then McKnight ought to take it's money back and try again with another Art Center.

Originally Posted by Ray Rolfe

I feel we should determine that road construction is an "art" which should be significantly CUT, as everyone rides their bikes from victory garden to victory garden, swipping vegies, starving, in an engineered economic crisis (problem, reaction, solution), waiting for Obamas big solution.

You know I waited to post. I thought this was a great call to thought/ dialogue and didn't want to inhibit anyone else.

I say the governor is way more of a dumb ass then I am, so my proposals carry more innovative weight then his. To that effect, I propose we expand the state definition of ART to include Urban Botany, and figure out how artists are going to keep communities healthy. The "stimulus" "money" just builds up the satanic infrastructure of death all around us. And as I've expressed before, it's not really money. It's an abstract force of wicked intentions to become more powerfull based on alocating abstract forces. They can never print as much as they are conjuring so it's just make belive.

Timmy is a career politician, as opposed to a leader with vision. He would rather everyone die (read about the health insurance cuts) just as long as Satan gets his money, cause after all, there are contracts and allegiances which no virtue or moral can break. Some one needs to seriously ask him, "are you a complete dumb ass?".

He wants to cut the state’s corporate income tax by more than half — from 9.8 percent to 4.8 percent? WHY?

Yeah I'll save it. I'm just saying, right now, REGIONAL INFRASTRUCTURE DEVELOPMENT is a satanic art form and we should cut that. Breathing asphalt fumes destroys communities, or what they call, "Bio-diversity zones".

Why doesn't he cut the FLUORIDE out of the water supply!? Do you know how much money we would save by not adding poison to all the tap water? It's an expensive damn operation...
But it's not about saving money, is it? It's about controlling culture. Making sure the asshats get paid, and the rest of the people die. And the boy Governor just does what he's told because he is afraid.

Here is the Minnesota State Budget for study.

Here is a STORY about it. http://minnesotaindependent.com/2457...ta-budget-cuts

It's wild. You just google "tim pawlenty proposes" and learn. Who would have guessed it would be so easy?

Generation Alpha/Omega.

Make twice the art on half the money. Be fully healthy without the health care?

Originally Posted by Unregistered Artist

Make twice the art on half the money. Be fully healthy without the health care?

Bravisimo! Eso es the verdad!

But half is still more than what is left after the "structural costs" are paid for. Under the current system the redundant costs lots of little directors are no longer affordable. And the "goods" in the manufacture of art are a very small % of the costs of making and marketing art. Artists who make things need help with reducing the costs of getting art to market.

Only the young and male can go on without healthcare-check out the average age of the median artist in Minnesota. The better artists are also more exposed to work related health risks-sculptors, ceramicist and anyone working with refined materials.

Most educated Artists come with an outstanding debt from their education process, it rides them like a lead collar and further restricts their ability to promote themselves. If they chose a high cost medium they are further hampered. Graphic Artists run a high ongoing cost of 'access' costs.

There is a need for improvement of the "support systems" that have been well funded in the recent past. There is the need to do what many corporations are doing to continue providing for the society- merge and reduce overhead costs to afford innovation and marketing.

The revolution we need is "change". We need to change the leadership of the current Arts mob.


%-)

Yes, that is the truth.

However, the current "health care" structure is an exploitation system. It is not set up to heal illness arising from use of special materials. In fact, it introduces MORE dangerous and toxic materials to the willing participant.

The cure for absorption of hazardous particulates is to drink clean and holy water. However, our studio taps are polluted with fluoride and other poisons. This water does not work for art.

The artist who reduces the costs of getting art to market, is the shaman cook, who feeds the artist village most nutritiously, sustainably and efficiently. Brown rice and spice. The art is then created at cost in the experience of freedom to the benefit of humanity. This is a contrast to the old way of benefiting the very few based on economics. Please remember, the market is rioting against capitalism, globally.

The "art" the "market" is "buying", are words from souls. Words are decisions. Actions can be inspired. Breathing can have purpose. Learning is the new consumption.

The value gained by consumption is advanced creative knowledge, with which to live. No longer will consumption be empty and cultivate petty desire. It will be more focused, efficient and outcome driven. Meaning, enrichment is sought rather then the pacification of entertainment .

There is no arts leadership. Only players who hide from the true voices of society.

Quote:
"There is the need to do what many corporations are doing to continue providing for the society- merge and reduce overhead costs to afford innovation and marketing."

Response:
The corporations are killing society. They now provide death. They merge to consolidate power, not afford innovation. Their marketing is lies. Lets NOT do what many corporations are doing. Or at least examine what they are.
True innovation is creative, and free to the thinker. Put into action, currently available innovations would reduce the need for the obsolete.
The is an anti-civilization movement growing because the corporations have build an unsustainable society. It can not be fixed, adjusted, or refunded. It must END for the people to survive.
Is there difference in art created by slaves and free humanity?

live long and prosper- to seek out civilizations strange and fantastic

Originally Posted by Unregistered Activist

Yes, that is the truth.
Lead white was extremely dangerous- yet took artists dying before they took responsibility for their craft-Locking the "coyote" out of the forums is part of the 'systems' way of keeping artists STUPID.
If you reside in Minni-apple you have some of the best water in the country-yet if you know your art science you know you need distilled water to make your water colors work well-but I think fluoride only distorts the minds of 60's right wingnuts.

On the question of the market- sensible capitalism is just as outraged at what has happened as the 'worker' are mystified by what happened to money- it lost any real value in the fueling of empty careers. The very same thing that is wrong with Minnesota's Art scene- CAREER over VALUE.

bob
However, the current "health care" structure is an exploitation system. It is not set up to heal illness arising from use of special materials. In fact, it introduces MORE dangerous and toxic materials to the willing participant.

The cure for absorption of hazardous particulates is to drink clean and holy water. However, our studio taps are polluted with fluoride and other poisons. This water does not work for art.

The artist who reduces the costs of getting art to market, is the shaman cook, who feeds the artist village most nutritiously, sustainably and efficiently. Brown rice and spice. The art is then created at cost in the experience of freedom to the benefit of humanity. This is a contrast to the old way of benefiting the very few based on economics. Please remember, the market is rioting against capitalism, globally.

The "art" the "market" is "buying", are words from souls. Words are decisions. Actions can be inspired. Breathing can have purpose. Learning is the new consumption.

The value gained by consumption is advanced creative knowledge, with which to live. No longer will consumption be empty and cultivate petty desire. It will be more focused, efficient and outcome driven. Meaning, enrichment is sought rather then the pacification of entertainment .

There is no arts leadership. Only players who hide from the true voices of society.

Quote:
"There is the need to do what many corporations are doing to continue providing for the society- merge and reduce overhead costs to afford innovation and marketing."

Response:
The corporations are killing society. They now provide death. They merge to consolidate power, not afford innovation. Their marketing is lies. Lets NOT do what many corporations are doing. Or at least examine what they are.
True innovation is creative, and free to the thinker. Put into action, currently available innovations would reduce the need for the obsolete.
The is an anti-civilization movement growing because the corporations have build an unsustainable society. It can not be fixed, adjusted, or refunded. It must END for the people to survive.
Is there difference in art created by slaves and free humanity?